Posted by: 2big4mysize | February 18, 2008

friendly fire? I think not!

A blogger has accused the FKW ducks of friendly fire upon Martina’s Martini. In her words “In recent days I have witnessed a case of friendly fire – the wounding of a person who was simply trying to lend aid to the cause of taking down Kimkins and Heidi Diaz in the only way they knew how. This person feared detection and so they attempted to communicate in a cryptic and at times a seemingly nonsensical fashion. All such attempts are met with a measure of skepticism initially. That is only prudent. After all, this is a tale of intrigue, deception, impersonation … The stakes are far too high to simply accept all newcomers claiming to hold one of the keys to this puzzle at face value. However, not only wisdom, but simple compassion dictates how we respond to such messengers, particularly in the public eye. Well meaning people can and have been hurt by the reckless disregard of some of those intent on seeing this fiasco to its conclusion. A basic tenet that I learned while training to be an emergency care provider would serve us well here … First, do no harm.In this particular case, a genuine and viable asset has likely been driven completely away. We must entertain the real possibility that this person does indeed have information that could have a major impact on the final outcome of this proceeding.To the individual who presented themselves recently as Martina’s Martini on the Fascination with Kimmer threads within the Low Carb Friends forum, I offer a sincere apology for any unfounded accusations that may have been leveled in your direction by some of those intensely focused on this particular quest. These are good people who, at times, get a bit caught up in the moment. But friendly fire, regardless of the intention, is never justified. We simply must stop the fratricide if we are to distinguish ourselves from those whom we oppose.” Having been there at the time the initial exchange with Martina’s Martini occurred I really have to question the validity of this accusation of friendly fire.

From low carb facination topic here is the actual exchange as posted Notice MM posted not once but twice without any other posts from any ducks or trolls.

not getting a reply MM posts another shot  I lost 650 lbs on the magic chicken diet.

which can be seen directly below that first one. and for the ones who say the topic was censored i was there and those were not and you can see them quoted later in the topic by folk seeing them.

finally a duck replies nothing insulting, nothing anything a normal person would judge to be friendly fire.

and MM comes back with

Oh Forgot the DUCKS,

Quack you people….Quack……
Dosent ANYONE honestly understand….THIS MATTER IS IN A COURT OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!. Let the LAW deal with the whole situation..LIFE…IS TOO SHORT FOR EVERYONE TO BECOME CONSUMED WITH THIS DAMN ISSUE!
so 3 posts in 8 min and the only fire MM incountered was doubt about the 650 pounds and  an actual nice reply to the grassy knoll drive by posting.
 MM is the one firing on ducks and when fire is returned MM continues to fire at them.
To accuse the ducks of friendly fire based on the evidence is an insult to all members of LCFs and I’m not the only one to feel that way No Apology for the Trolls! « MJR’s-Duck Squad .2BIGmy other blog
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  1. […] selcuk wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptA blogger has accused the FKW ducks of friendly fire upon Martina’s Martini. In her words “In recent days I have witnessed a case of friendly fire – the wounding of a person who was simply trying to lend aid to the cause of taking down Kimkins and Heidi Diaz in the only way they knew how. This person feared detection and so they attempted to communicate in a cryptic and at times a seemingly nonsensical fashion. All such attempts are met with a measure of skepticism initially. That is only prudent. After all, this is a tale of intrigue, deception, impersonation … The stakes are far too high to simply accept all newcomers claiming to hold one of the keys to this puzzle at face value. However, not only wisdom, but simple compassion dictates how we respond to such messengers, particularly in the public eye. Well meaning people can and […] […]

  2. […] Noodlebean wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt […]

  3. As I told someone else today, I was glad to see others agreed with my thought process, where MM was concerned. Here I thought I was the only one questioning the “friendly fire” post. Honestly, the hair on the back of my neck stood up when I read it – because I KNEW (I was there, and read ALL the posts before they were scrubbed) MM WAS NOT MISTREATED. In fact, I even tried to follow along and decipher the cryptic comments (to no avail) thinking she/he was just trying to be funny at first. But, then it seemed to get nasty (on MM’s part). In my opinion the ducks showed restraint and compassion and really seemed to try and understand whatever point MM was trying to make. My biggest problem with this whole thing is 1. Why was the “friendly fire” post written (when there didn’t seem to be any)? and 2. How come some seem to think we all should have known MM had something to share? She/He never even hinted at having anything of importance to the case. (not until the blog – which came later) I’ve gone back several times (even though most is gone) and all I could get out of it was that this character was looking to distract us from our discussions. There did seem to be some kind of inside knowledge there – but I would never have thought they planned on sharing it. Only that they were digging and had an agenda of some sort. Funny how they decided to confide in the “friendly fire” author. And not to John’s email with an anonymous statement. Like I said earlier, things that make you say hmmmm

    Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I’m glad I’m not the only thinking these things.
    Take Care

  4. you are welcome. MM seems to pick the one who makes nice with them first it was Kat cause Kat ask them about themself in the facination topic before they went off on the Ducks but when Kat didn’t pan out for them they moved on to the next friendly site.

  5. Huh? Somebody managed to outsleuth the sleuths, outdig the diggers, and outhink the thinkers? Somebody took the initiative in their handling of an unprecedented situation? Somebody didn’t go through proper channels and get authorization from the Hall Monitors?

    Well, by all the bells of Hell — that’s not on the Approved List Of Distractions/Diversions. That’s just plain Juvenile In Mind And Potentially Disconcerting In Action.

    The Prudentia blogger must be stopped.

    But how?

    We here at the Society For The Protection Of Devil’s Advocates feel that the only rational way to stop the Prudentia blogger is for everyone to have a wide assortment of fits, cows, and/or conniptions, and to continue having them for quite some time.

    Never give up! Never surrender. Conformity is God and Consensus is His Name and now let us pray:

    O Conformity,
    Hallowed be Thy Name.
    Thy Kingdom come.
    Thy Will be done
    On Earth as it is in the Halls of the Monitors.

  6. yustyucky regardless of Prudentia’s motivarion to take the actions taken false accusations by Prudentia against the folk in the FWK topic to communicate with MM are not justified. the ends never justify the means.

  7. Not justified? Never justified? Never? mmmMMMM, I love the smell of unverifiable generalizations in the morning.

  8. The blogger could have just as easily adressed their topic to MM as “hey MM I don’t think you are a troll and I’d value hearing what you have to say. post a comment and I will not publish it with your your permission if you want to talk”
    That would have been an honest means to achieve their ends if Prudentia truely believed what they posted.

  9. That’s the way you would have handled it. That’s — obviously — not the way a person who is not you handled it.

    Just because that person didn’t handle it the way you would have doesn’t mean the person was dishonest or disingenuous — it simply means that that person didn’t handle it the way you would have.

    And the reverse also seems to be true — just because you disagree with the way the situation was handled doesn’t mean you’re dishonest or disingenuous — it just means you would’ve handled it differently.

    You probably don’t want to hear our opinions about this or any other topic — who would? — but we figured we’d express those opinions anyway.

    From our time spent reading the fascination thread and the antiKimkins blogs (the real ones) it seems to us that nearly everybody, including you and the Prudentia blogger, are decent ordinary people — not evil scammers, not scheming criminals — just normal people with integrity and common decency and that sort of thing.

    So it’s kinda sad to see you or anybody else so upset. We (meaning I, of course) know there’s been several times I felt really upset about stuff, disagreed with the opinions and actions of other people, and hey we’ve all been there, it’s just part of life.

    Anyway. uhm. So anyway, hey, whatever.

  10. YY you are entitled to your opinion but the facts are not disputible. MM came into the facination topic and fired 3 shots at the ducks without ever being fired on. There was no friendly fire incident involving MM. Prudentia falsey accused the ducks of engaging in friendly fire and that simply was not the case. Most folk, yourself included when they have falsely accused folk have apologized for it so I was shocked to see Prudentia in the face of the evidence stand by those accusations and blogged about it.

  11. interesting stuff I must say!


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