Posted by: 2big4mysize | January 15, 2008

Harmed by Kimkins? Share your Story on National TV « Say “NO” to Kimkins

Harmed by Kimkins? Share your Story on National TV « Say “NO” to Kimkins

please if you have medcally documented health issues from your experiences on Kimkins please read the page on the Say NO to kimkins blog . thanks

ETA here is a blogger with inside the kimpound looks at the current instructions for Kimkins kimorexia.blogspot.com

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Responses

  1. I do hope that those who were harmed by Heidi Diaz or her diet will come forward for this opportunity. Looking for other ways to help? Join the Take Down Kimkins Contest!

  2. The harm that Kimmer has done is an evil iceberg, and we’ve only just seen the tip of the tip of it. Beneath the dark cold waters a more massive evil creaks.

    Stay tuned for shocking details.

  3. you are the weirdo who emailed me. LOL oh my gosh, you are such a stalker. Now you and your duckies need to get busy living your own lives. The diet is not dangerous, I dont care what Heidi looks like or what she did to promote her site. It doesnt matter to anyone but you ducks.

    Dana

  4. stalker LOL you obviously don’t understand the information you are leaving with your comments on all the blogs.

    Why don’t you do everybody a favor and go ask Dr Michael Roberts about the nutrtional effects of eating the kimkins diet? I’m sure the Professor of Molecular Biochemistry would be happy to help you since y’all are so close.

  5. Dana! So nice to see you posting again!

    How’s Dr. Michael Roberts? Say hi to him for me.

    And you calling 2big a stalker? Now, that’s rich, especially coming from you!

    Instead of posting nonsensical and spurious comments on all the anti-Kimkins blogs, why don’t you spend some time in the lab with Dr. Roberts…maybe bone up on the structure and actions of macromolecular complexes?

    On the other hand, since you’ve failed to recognize how the Kimkins diet can destroy your heart muscle and other organs, I highly doubt you’d reap any benefit from Dr. Roberts’ tutelage. Good luck, though.

    And say hi to Heidi for me. She loves hearing from me. Ta.

    My blog: Medusa

  6. You know something ladies. Just because we do not agree with you, does not mean you are right. Everyone has a right to their opinion, whether you agree or not. Something to think about, in the free world.

    As for you Medusa, have no idea what you are talking about. Dr. who? and yes I called her a stalker because she mentioned my town, and emailed me at a private address. That is stalker to me.

    Now you kids have fun with your little project, but just know that you are reaching no one but each other. Nobody outside your hate circle cares what you have to say.

  7. Another thing for you experts. lol There is no way in hell my heart muscle is harmed on the amount of food I eat each day. You have no idea what I consume, nor would your one sided mind even believe it. ta ta

  8. Again calling me a stalker for seeing the information you provided on each commnet you left me really? If your email is so private please do not leave it with your commnets on my site and others.
    And Dr who?
    now that is rich since you are gaining internet access through his account which makes me and all the other blogger wonder if you are some college kid getting your jollys as an internet troll?

    Again it is too bad somebody with access to Dr Roberts doesn’t bother to ask him about the dangers of the kimkins diet as written by Kimmer.

  9. “You have no idea what I consume…”

    Crow?

  10. Again, I have no idea who Dr Roberts is. I am not a college kid. This account does not belong to him. I guess everything you see on the internet is not accurate.

    Now I took this to email for you. I do not care if you know my email address,or I would not have put it down. I could have easily made something up. I did not. I am not ashamed of anything I have to say. Just because you guys dont agree, does not make your position any greater than mine.

    Thats all.
    Dana

  11. Crow for what Medusa?

  12. Dana we are adressing our remarks about kimkins to the kimkins diet plan Kimmer has written. Should you decide to call your eating plan kimkins and not follow the plan that is your business, but as kimmer herself said if you tweak it it isn’t kimkins! You can see the plan as written on Kimkins.com if Kimmer hasn’t scrubbed it again and if she has you can see it here discussion of kimkins.com diet

    I find it very interesting that you keep posting on the blogs of the people trying to education folk about the dangers of the kimkins plan yet you keep stressing we are just talking to ourselves. if so why are you, a busy college student, bothering to keep coming back and commneting. Again trolling?

  13. “you are the weirdo who emailed me. LOL oh my gosh, you are such a stalker. Now you and your duckies need to get busy living your own lives. The diet is not dangerous, I dont care what Heidi looks like or what she did to promote her site. It doesnt matter to anyone but you ducks.“

    And YOU. (And the feds, California Consumer Affairs, the attorneys, Good Morning America, the Mike & Juliet Show, Paypal, KTLA, and JEANESSA)

    “Now you kids have fun with your little project, but just know that you are reaching no one but each other. Nobody outside your hate circle cares what you have to say.”

    Except YOU?

    “Another thing for you experts. lol There is no way in hell my heart muscle is harmed on the amount of food I eat each day.”

    Good. That means you’re too smart to do Kimkins as written.

    “You have no idea what I consume,”

    Oh that was just too darn easy!

    “nor would your one sided mind even believe it.”

    I believe it. Lots of people say they are doing Kimkins who are not. I’ve come to expect it, and I imagine many of my independent thinking friends have, too. Dana, I actually enjoy a good debate, and I suspect we could have a great one if you’d drop the attitude and discuss things like an adult. You believe in something – talk about it instead of acting like you’re ready to divide the room in half with a fat roll of duct tape.

    “ta ta”

    Ta!

  14. Let me ask you this. Why is it ok for all you folks who disagree with Kimkins to write whatever you want , as much as you want, yet don’t want to hear opposing views? Something very fishy about that.

    I don’t tweak Kimkins at all. It is open for interpretation as to how much fat is needed per person. There are no limits. Nothing. The only limits are 20 g of carbs per day.

    Again, I am not a college student. I am a Kimkins member who is happy and satisfied with the plan, yet you do not to want to hear that. Do you see why I am going to the blogs? People need to hear both sides. Yet you hate that and call it trolling? Interesting.

  15. would you like me to get a copy of your commnets so you can see you have not been leaving “both” sides point of view but have infact been trolling.Lets see here is your first and only commnet before today
    —————————————-
    please get a life!
    ———————————————–
    Those are the types of comments you have been leaving nothing about the Kimkins.com diet.

    now which side of the discussion was that from?

    It is obvious you have not read this blog because Tippy toes and I had a discussion from “both” sides as you call it of the kimkins plan. The commnets were open to all yet you never posted one and yet you were commneting on other ducks blogs telling them to get a life nobody was listening to them, they were just talking to each other without one positive thing to say about the Kimkins.com plan until you erupted today after I emailed you about your get a life commnet you left here.
    if you want to discuss the kimkins eating plan you are more then welcome to post and bring some supporting documentation with medical studies and peer reviewed studies showing the kimmins plan is safe and effective if you can actually find one.

  16. DANA said “I don’t tweak Kimkins at all. It is open for interpretation as to how much fat is needed per person. There are no limits. Nothing. The only limits are 20 g of carbs per day”

    I have a question for you. you said you have known for yrs about the plan and the haters yet you make the above statement. I can show you posts from the creator of the plan Kimmer from Kimkins.com and from LCFs where she clearly disagrees with you about limits on her plan. So where are you getting those no limits other then 20 grams of carbs and calling it kimkins?

    Seems you are doing your plan, not hers.

  17. DANA: “You have no idea what I consume…”

    MEDUSA: “Crow?”

    DANA: “Crow for what Medusa?”

    MEDUSA: Crow, as in “Eating crow,” meaning having been proven wrong after taking a strong position.

    Comprenez-vous maintenant, Dana?

  18. Medusa, I have not been proven wrong on anything. But thank you for your concern!

  19. Then you would be wrong, she used to recommend 70-90 g of protein, however, that is now dropped. Also, all a long it has been if you are hungry eat as much lean protein as you desire. There ya go!

  20. You folks just keep on believing what you want to, and I will know what I see each day when I log into the site.

    For anyone actually looking for information from both sides, ( which I doubt ) The plan is safe and effective. As much lean protein as you want to eat. As much fat as it takes for your menu to work, and 20 g of carbs. There ya go! Simple! 🙂

  21. Great news there if what you are posting is the newest version of the plan. looks like our blogs with info about the dangers of the plan must be working because that information was not there and has not been there very long.
    Can you still see the post where Kimmer answers the question about how much fat that actually is supposed to be and she replies 30 grams max? or has kimmer scrubbed that one off the Kimkins.com site too?

  22. “But thank you for your concern!”

    You’re welcome, Dana.

    A few quick questions for you:

    (1) How long have you been following the Kimkins diet?
    (2) What is your average daily caloric consumption?
    (3) How much weight have you lost?
    (4) How long did it take you to lose that weight?
    (5) What is your daily fat intake?
    (6) Have you noticed any hair loss? If so, how much?
    (7) Have you suffered from dizziness, brain fog, blurred vision, heart palpitations, food cravings?
    (8) Has your doctor ordered blood work on you, including thyroid tests?
    (9) Do you often feel cold?

    I AM concerned for you, Dana, regardless of what you may think. I am hoping you will take time to answer the above questions.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    My blog: Medusa

  23. Dana I’m seeing from the inside of the site the following

    Kimkins Diet Plans as of 1/22/2008

    Kimkins Diet Plans

    Kimkins is purposely designed as a very simple and extremely effective weight loss plan! There’s no complicated rules, formulas or food combinations. We suggest a minimum of 800 calories per day or per your doctor’s recommendation.

    Listed below are the guidelines for each Kimkins Diet option. That’s it! Pick the one you like, follow the easy rules exactly and enjoy fast weight loss!

    KIMKINS DIET
    The original Kimkins Diet

    As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
    0-20 total carbs per day(no fiber or sugar alcohol subtraction)
    0-3 cups List 1 veggies per day OR
    0-2 cups List 1 veggies + 0-1 cup List 2 veggies per day
    Use minimal fat to make your menu work (careful, calories count!)
    No alcohol or low carb products (sugar free candy, energy bars, ice cream, frozen meals)
    Your appetite will reduce naturally after 3-5 days
    Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements
    ________________________________________-
    also this from the first 2 weeks info

    Can I modify the Kimkins Food Lists?

    Please don’t. If it’s not the list, don’t eat or drink it! Remember that Kimkins is a lean low carb plan. The #1 reason for slow weight loss is “modifying”. High calorie items that may appear on other low carb diets are not allowed on Kimkins, including chicken wings, pork rinds, beef jerky, peanut butter, liberal cheese, cream and cream cheese
    ———————————————————
    again that is minimal fats not as much as it takes as you have stated above. and no modifications

    unlimited proteins without fats will led to rabit starvation which has been blogged about on may sites youhave left commnets on. i hope you have read them and not just trolled them.

  24. Goodness, I thought the ‘0 to’ wording was long gone! That means people can do lean protein only – which is exactly where the egg white challenge insanity came from!

  25. Hey 2big, maybe Dana’s angle is that SHE has not been harmed by Danakins, though she is aware of the Kimkins deception and fraud. So she either thinks that since she hasn’t been harmed, nobody has, or she simply doesn’t care.

  26. … and by extension, nobody else should care either.

  27. Use minimal fat to make your menu work ,

    MY MENU WORKS ON AS MUCH FAT AS IT TAKES TO MAKE IT WORK! THERE ARE NO LIMITS. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY EAT LEAN PROTEIN WITH NO FATS.. MY GOODNESS! talk about seeing what you want to see.

    (including chicken wings, pork rinds, beef jerky, peanut butter, liberal cheese, cream and cream cheese)

    I dont eat those things, even on Atkins. Notice is says LIBERAL cheese. I eat cheese, just not LIBERAL cheese.

    Since you have a mole inside, *(which is really sad by the way), go to the Kimmer back on track thread and notice what everyone is saying about eating enough food to be healthy and still lose. Actually it is all over the threads. Everyone encourages each other to eat healthfully.

  28. “But thank you for your concern!”

    You’re welcome, Dana.

    A few quick questions for you:

    (1) How long have you been following the Kimkins diet?

    Since July 07

    (2) What is your average daily caloric consumption?

    1350- 1500 cals a day

    (3) How much weight have you lost?

    89 pounds

    (4) How long did it take you to lose that weight?

    7 months

    (5) What is your daily fat intake?

    I dont count fat intake, only carbs.

    (6) Have you noticed any hair loss? If so, how much?
    I have not lost any hair.

    (7) Have you suffered from dizziness, brain fog, blurred vision, heart palpitations, food cravings?

    No, I have no problems at all, I see a doctor regularly.

    (8) Has your doctor ordered blood work on you, including thyroid tests?

    Absolutely, every 6 months I have bloodwork, thyroid tests. I have no problems at all. In fact my blood work is the best it has been in years.

    (9) Do you often feel cold?

    I never feel cold except when I go outside in 0 degree weather.

  29. Use minimal fat to make your menu work ,

    MY MENU WORKS ON AS MUCH FAT AS IT TAKES TO MAKE IT WORK! THERE ARE NO LIMITS. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY EAT LEAN PROTEIN WITH NO FATS.. MY GOODNESS! talk about seeing what you want to see.

    (including chicken wings, pork rinds, beef jerky, peanut butter, liberal cheese, cream and cream cheese)

    I dont eat those things, even on Atkins. Notice is says LIBERAL cheese. I eat cheese, just not LIBERAL cheese.

    ——————————————————–
    Dana I suggest you go back and reread it

    Can I modify the Kimkins Food Lists?

    Please don’t. If it’s not the list, don’t eat or drink it! Remember that Kimkins is a lean low carb plan. The #1 reason for slow weight loss is “modifying”. High calorie items that may appear on other low carb diets are not allowed on Kimkins, including chicken wings, pork rinds, beef jerky, peanut butter, liberal cheese, cream and cream cheese
    ———————————————————-Kimmer says don’t eat that stuff eat only what is on her lists and I’m happy to copy the protein list here too
    KIMKINS FOODS GUIDELINES

    LEAN PROTEIN
    Bake, boil, broil, grill, poach, roast, steam, nonstick spray

    Eggs

    * Save fat calories by mixing 2 egg whites + 1 whole egg for scrambles or omelettes
    * Choose low fat cooking methods and low fat mayonnaise to cut calories
    * Eggbeaters are excellent

    Chicken & Turkey

    * Choose any fresh or frozen poultry that is not breaded
    * Remove the skin before cooking
    * White meat is lower in fat, but dark meat is fine
    * Rotisserie chicken may be allowed, beware of injected marinades
    * Duck and goose are fatty choices, enjoy as a rare treat and remove skin

    Fish & Seafood

    * Choose any type, non-breaded
    * Choose water-packed canned tuna or crab
    * Shellfish has carbs so figure them into your daily carb totals
    * Shrimp should be prepared without butter sauces
    * Use low carb sauces very sparingly

    Pork & Lamb

    * Choose tenderloin, cutlets, extra lean ham or Canadian bacon
    * Trim all visible fat
    * Bacon and Sausage should be very occasional treats
    * Turkey bacon or chicken sausage are better low calorie choices

    Beef

    * Beef should be eaten rarely for fastest weight loss results
    * Even the leanest cut is 30% fat by calories
    * Choose cuts labeled “round”, “tenderloin”, “flank” or “London broil”
    * Trim all visible fat

    Game

    * Venison, bear, elk, bison, ostrich and buffalo are excellent lean protein choices!
    * Cook by any low fat method listed above

  30. what is your point? I eat plenty of fat in my meats…… chicken thighs…. yummmmmmmm steak…..yummmmm….. plenty of fat… whole eggs…..yummmmm etc etc…

    Notice something? it says for the FASTEST weight loss results choose beef rarely. So for someone who is willing to have a LESS THAN FASTEST weight loss, we can choose beef whenever. It is not against the plan.

    I still don’t know what you are trying to say here? Notice in big bold letters GUIDELINES? Also, if you actually read the site, it says these are not set in stone, there are no set pecentages of anything except 20 g. of carbs a day.

    EAT AS MUCH LEAN PROTEIN AS you need. The funny thing about most of these protein choices are that they contain animal fat. You don’t even have to eat a nice juicy ribeye to get some good fats. If I dont have enough fat to make it tasty, I used ENOUGH FAT TO MAKE MY MENU WORK.

    This is what the new folks are told. GUIDELINES are not RULES.

    Now, you suggested I go back and read it. Why? I have read it several times, and it still says the same thing. I got it the first time.

  31. As for what I put in ( ) I know those are things she said not to eat……. I SAID I DONT EAT THOSE THINGS. go back and read it.

  32. guess what Dana you have modified Kimkins cause
    the plan in your own words says EAT AS MUCH LEAN PROTEIN AS you need

    and by definition lean protein is containing less then 3 grams of fat per ounce so cheese is not a lean protein source
    nor are thighs nor whole eggs.

    looks like you have atkinized your diet with healthy fats something kimkins does not all.

    and the fastest weight loss statement is only on the beef not on the eggs where it clearly says to cut fat by mixing whites with yolks and on the poultry where it says remove the skins.

    The kimkins plan is low fat very low fat see that use low fat mayo statement.

    Until the website alters the plan to include healthy fats as required part of the eating plan I will continue to battle against the kimpire.

  33. YOU ARE HILARIOUS!! All of the above is on the plan, no tweaking, no akinizing at all. See what I mean about your agenda?

    You have me cracking up actually. You listen to nothing. DID YOU READ WHERE IT SAYS, EGGS, DARK MEAT CHICKEN? can you not read that part? I guess not.

    There is no lean meat by DEFINITION anywhere on this site. Will you show me where it says less than 3 grams per oz on the Kimkins site? That is something you added yourself. Right? lol Amazing.

    Therefore , I am not going to argue with you. You have lost any credibility you are trying to make for yourself.

    Now I will shout it to the world that Kimkins is healthy and tell anyone and everyone I know about it.

  34. Dana you really should take a few nutrtion classes at Uof Mo since you are right there.
    Lean protein is the term Kimmer has posted repeatedly on her site and you parrotted in your commnets here.
    Lean protein is defined not by me but by the USDA for food labels as less then 3 grams of fat per 4 ounce of food. if Kimmer is going to use a food label term in her lists I guess she is assuming her members are smart enough to know what it means. Guess Kimmer needs to conduct a kimkins 101 class for members like you who don’t undertand.

  35. LOL. you are a funny person.

  36. oops accidiently deleted another commnet from Dana as I was replying to it so here it is in full

    DANA posted

    It says YOU CAN cut the fat on the eggs, does not say YOU MUST. PLEASE be accurate.

  37. and my response to that commnet by Dana
    ——————————————————–
    It says YOU CAN cut the fat on the eggs, does not say YOU MUST. PLEASE be accurate.
    ———————————————————

    really it says in the kimkins food lists
    KIMKINS FOODS GUIDELINES

    LEAN PROTEIN
    Bake, boil, broil, grill, poach, roast, steam, nonstick spray

    Eggs

    * Save fat calories by mixing 2 egg whites + 1 whole egg for scrambles or omelettes
    * Choose low fat cooking methods and low fat mayonnaise to cut calories
    * Eggbeaters are excellent
    ——————————————————-

    could you point out that section where it says YOU CAN cause I see it says SAVE FAT BY….
    there is no option here

  38. Do you mean the same nutrition classes that say we should eat the majority of our food in the form of Grains and other Carbs? That nutrition? No thanks.

    Now 2big, I get it, you hate Heidi and want her shut down. I, however, do not hate Heidi, and I support her and the plan. We are on 2 different sides.

    That is basically it. Have a marvelous day!

  39. LOL LOL you are so funny
    we discuss the eating plan and when your point is proven wrong about the eating plan you try to shift this to disliking kimmer.

    Pointing out to the world that the kimkins.com plan is a dangerous diet and folk like you who run around posting you are healthy and following that dangerous plan when in fact you have so modified the plan to not be kimkins, and that the plan was marketed with over 35 fake success stories including that 115 pound kimmer that wasn’t anything more then a stolen picture off the net has nothing to do with liking or disliking a human being.

    run away if you want, but I will continue to post about the dangers of the Kimkins.com diet plan sold by Kimmer with those 35 fake success stories.

  40. I have not been proven wrong on anything.

    I am doing Kimkins AS WRITTEN. Whether you choose to believe that or not. I have discussed what I eat with Kimmer several times. She has never, not one time, EVER told me to eat less of anything.

    Run away? LOL from what? I am just done talking to you. I am going to be promoting the plan as much and as often as I can.

    By the way, you admitted to being banned, yet you and your little ducks continue to go into the site. Interesting indeed! Too bad you cannot come out with more accurate information.

    Also, how is YOUR WEIGHT LOSS GOING? 🙂

  41. Dana Dana Dana interseting you know about my banning since it is only metioned in the LCFs FWK topic and should nopt be known by a mmeber of kimkins.con unless kimmer is posting she is banning members of the general public as i never had a membership. Strange that such healthy weight loss information has to be locked up too isn’t it? Bet you can’t name a single plan that has medical studies confirming it’s healthiness that is keep under lock and key espcially one that until 2006 was shared openly on a free site.

    Since you are discussing the plan with Kimmer face to face why don’t you ask her about her definition of lean proteins? has she changed her mind in light of the numerous discussions about the dangerous lack of EFAs to allow more of those heaslthy fats in then the 30 grams limit she has posted and has Pmed and emailed members of her website who actually bothered to ask her how much fat that minimal fat to make your menu work actually is?

    My weight loss is fine. been an Atkins goalie for over 3 yrs now. Dropped over 130 of those pounds in less then a yr without any hair loss either all while my doctor was sure he had adjusted my thyroid meds too high and was monitoring it and my cholesterol levels too.

  42. Great job on the weight loss! Now would it surprise you to know that I am pretending to be one of your little duckie friends on those threads? Try and guess which one.

    I don’t think you can but if you do, I will admit to it to you.

  43. you know for somebody who was so disgusted with LCF and the FWK topic you actually joined kimkins.con and then wonder about the ducks going in and out of the kimkins.con site quietly keeping tabs on that dangerous diet I’m amazed you’d post something like that.

    Trying to stir up dissention in the ranks by causing ducks to distrust each other? No only a coward would claim they value their friendship with hiedi and support her yet be too faced about it and claim to be a duck posting antikimmer and kimkins info.
    Since LCFS is a free site and anybody can read any topic I’d believe you are simply a lurker wannabe

  44. LOL. You go ahead and believe whatever you choose to believe. If its good for the goose, its good for the gander, right? It’s ok if you guys do it, but not us? Right! There are more than you even know.

  45. Dana Dana Dana
    you need to keep your comments straight. you are the one who was upset ducks were still going into Kimkins, not me. LCFs is a free place to visit, read and and post to. membership is free. All are welcome.

    I feel it is hypocritical for somebody to pretent to be Kimmers friend and post in that topic against her is all, which you are saying you do. there is no goose nor gander here. Ducks do not pretent to like Kimmer inside the kimpire now do they?
    If you wish to continue to discuss the dangers of the kimkins diet you are more then welcome to keep posting here. i would welcome new information that Kimmer is making the kimkins diet healthier, but alas you have no new news to share about the plan. Still cals too low and healthy needed fats too low.

  46. Dana I wanted to thank you. This discussion has given me a new insite into the folk who claim to be healthy and following kimkins. Seems not understanding the term lean protein can add a significan’t amount of fats to the plan making it more atkins then kimkins. I blogged about it when is kimkins not kimkins

  47. How in the world did I miss this….?
    What fun!
    Too bad, I’m always late to the party.
    2 Big – Hats off to you for keeping your cool and telling it like it is! I’m not sure I could have held my tongue on that one. Now, more than ever, I truly believe the kk diet not only affects the body, but, also the MIND! She has lost it, I’m afraid.
    Isn’t it funny how “people” think by reading “the thread” they are really getting the whole story? NOT! She hasn’t a clue what’s going on behind closed doors.
    KUTGW
    I’m afraid this ride WILL get bumpier.

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